Comments on: Depression, Dreaming and Rehearsal learning http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/ The Psychological & Neuroscientific musings of sandygautam Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:48:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Sandy G http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/#comment-308 Sandy G Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:14:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=210#comment-308 Hi Anthony,<br/><br/>the meat of my argument is not that amphetamine is related to depression. I don't consider this possibility even remotely. the argument is that REM SD or dream deprivation is related to depression. To bolster my argument, I just need to establish that the cognitive features found in such dream deprived rats are not due to normal SD as normal SD effects would have been overturned by amphetamine usage. Even if the above is not correct, it is not central to my thesis. Hi Anthony,

the meat of my argument is not that amphetamine is related to depression. I don’t consider this possibility even remotely. the argument is that REM SD or dream deprivation is related to depression. To bolster my argument, I just need to establish that the cognitive features found in such dream deprived rats are not due to normal SD as normal SD effects would have been overturned by amphetamine usage. Even if the above is not correct, it is not central to my thesis.

]]> By: Anthony http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/#comment-307 Anthony Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:00:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=210#comment-307 Hi Sandy:<br/><br/>"...but it is safe to conclude that, in general, amphetamine can be considered to reduce the symptoms of SD."<br/><br/>Yes, amphetamines do reduce symptoms of sleep deprivation. But that means absolutely nothing!<br/><br/>That is like saying "heroin can be considered to reduce the symptoms of hypersomnia."<br/><br/>Yeah, it sure can. So should we conclude that hypersomnia is closely releated to opiate deficiency?<br/><br/>The thing is - amphetamine affects so many parts of the brain so strongly that any apparent relationship between sleep and depression would be absolutely swamped by the direct effects of the amphetamine. I don't think one could reach any reasonable conclusion with a <i>very</i> carefully controlled experiment.<br/><br/>I can tell you from personal experience as a (legitimate, but sometimes abusive, and trying to get off it) Adderall user, that amphetamines counter only a tiny subset of the symptoms of sleep deprivation. From times that I've taken Adderall (foolishly) while sleep deprived, I can tell you that while amphetamines technically keep you awake, every other part of your brain "goes on the blink."<br/><br/>The sleep deprived "floundering" behavior is all too familiar to me - but I can tell you, while amphetamines keep you wide, wide awake, they sure as heck don't reverse SD symptoms in general.<br/><br/>Here's a typical late-night kitchen scenario for me:<br/><br/>"...why did I come in here? I was going to... to.... hmmm. ...<br/><br/>... right, I AM in here... ...<br/><br/>hmmmm.<br/><br/>...<br/><br/>...oh, right, I need... ah.. ok. Hmmm. How odd.<br/><br/>..."<br/><br/>:) Hi Sandy:

“…but it is safe to conclude that, in general, amphetamine can be considered to reduce the symptoms of SD.”

Yes, amphetamines do reduce symptoms of sleep deprivation. But that means absolutely nothing!

That is like saying “heroin can be considered to reduce the symptoms of hypersomnia.”

Yeah, it sure can. So should we conclude that hypersomnia is closely releated to opiate deficiency?

The thing is – amphetamine affects so many parts of the brain so strongly that any apparent relationship between sleep and depression would be absolutely swamped by the direct effects of the amphetamine. I don’t think one could reach any reasonable conclusion with a very carefully controlled experiment.

I can tell you from personal experience as a (legitimate, but sometimes abusive, and trying to get off it) Adderall user, that amphetamines counter only a tiny subset of the symptoms of sleep deprivation. From times that I’ve taken Adderall (foolishly) while sleep deprived, I can tell you that while amphetamines technically keep you awake, every other part of your brain “goes on the blink.”

The sleep deprived “floundering” behavior is all too familiar to me – but I can tell you, while amphetamines keep you wide, wide awake, they sure as heck don’t reverse SD symptoms in general.

Here’s a typical late-night kitchen scenario for me:

“…why did I come in here? I was going to… to…. hmmm. …

… right, I AM in here… …

hmmmm.

…

…oh, right, I need… ah.. ok. Hmmm. How odd.

…”

:)

]]> By: Ellin http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/#comment-253 Ellin Sat, 05 Jul 2008 11:20:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=210#comment-253 Antidepressants are 9 out of 10 times misused or abused due to their tranquilizing property. This very tranquilizing trait of the antidepressants makes them vulnerable to misuse. The fact of the matter is that antidepressants are to be used as tranquilizers but only on prescription. On having them otherwise one not only runs the risk of suffering the side effects but also the prospect of dependence on the drug. Antidepressants like <a HREF="http://www.xanax-effects.com" REL="nofollow">xanax</a> are sold online nowadays for the convenience of the people; one should not try to meddle with them or try to get them by foul means. Antidepressants are 9 out of 10 times misused or abused due to their tranquilizing property. This very tranquilizing trait of the antidepressants makes them vulnerable to misuse. The fact of the matter is that antidepressants are to be used as tranquilizers but only on prescription. On having them otherwise one not only runs the risk of suffering the side effects but also the prospect of dependence on the drug. Antidepressants like xanax are sold online nowadays for the convenience of the people; one should not try to meddle with them or try to get them by foul means.

]]> By: Sandy G http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/#comment-203 Sandy G Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:25:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=210#comment-203 Hi Jean-baptiste,<br/><br/>Thanks . I am honored that my article got featured in The Issue and would thus have a broader readership. Many thanks. Hi Jean-baptiste,

Thanks . I am honored that my article got featured in The Issue and would thus have a broader readership. Many thanks.

]]> By: Jean-Baptiste http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/01/07/depression-dreaming-and-rehearsal-learning/#comment-202 Jean-Baptiste Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:17:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=210#comment-202 You've got an really interesting article here. I had never thought about a possible connection between dreams and depression. <br/><br/>As an editor for The Issue, I've decided to feature it in the Science and Health Section today. Check it out at www.TheIssue.com<br/><br/>Cheers<br/>Jean-Baptiste You’ve got an really interesting article here. I had never thought about a possible connection between dreams and depression.

As an editor for The Issue, I’ve decided to feature it in the Science and Health Section today. Check it out at http://www.TheIssue.com

Cheers
Jean-Baptiste

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