Comments on: The big fight: The Big Five or The Big Eight? http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/09/17/the-big-fight-the-big-five-or-the-big-eight/ Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:20:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Lykaios http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/09/17/the-big-fight-the-big-five-or-the-big-eight/#comment-313 Lykaios Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:46:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=259#comment-313 I think you are likely to be going beyond the data at your disposal. However, you are correct that the Big Five appear to be insufficient to explain existing personality variation. I would suggest reading up on the HEXACO model, which represents a rotation of the Five Factors that was unnoticed in most factor analytic studies for years. Specifically:<br/><br/>Agreeableness splits into <br/><br/>Emotionality (with Neuroticism), Honesty-Humility (Goldberg's WYSIWYG) and "new" Agreeableness (with Emotional Stability). Traits thought to be "beyond" the Big Five such as seductiveness, integrity, thrift, femininity, recklessnes, humorousness, and so forth are subsumed by the new Honesty-Humility and Emotionalty factors. Specifically, terms such as tough, manly, rugged, womanly, and feminine are found in Emotionality, so that your proposed masculinity/femininity factor is subsumed by emotionality. Integrity, sexual restraint, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy are strong correlates of Honesty-Humility. And of course activity and energy level are (still) part of Extraversion and do not need to be accounted for by a separate activity factor as you propose.<br/><br/>For confirmation of these claims and a wealth of further information, try reading the articles that come up when performing a google search for the terms "hexaco" and "ashton." You may need access to scientific articles through a university or other organization to read the full articles, but the abstracts should at least give you a rough picture of the current state of research. I think you are likely to be going beyond the data at your disposal. However, you are correct that the Big Five appear to be insufficient to explain existing personality variation. I would suggest reading up on the HEXACO model, which represents a rotation of the Five Factors that was unnoticed in most factor analytic studies for years. Specifically:

Agreeableness splits into

Emotionality (with Neuroticism), Honesty-Humility (Goldberg’s WYSIWYG) and “new” Agreeableness (with Emotional Stability). Traits thought to be “beyond” the Big Five such as seductiveness, integrity, thrift, femininity, recklessnes, humorousness, and so forth are subsumed by the new Honesty-Humility and Emotionalty factors. Specifically, terms such as tough, manly, rugged, womanly, and feminine are found in Emotionality, so that your proposed masculinity/femininity factor is subsumed by emotionality. Integrity, sexual restraint, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy are strong correlates of Honesty-Humility. And of course activity and energy level are (still) part of Extraversion and do not need to be accounted for by a separate activity factor as you propose.

For confirmation of these claims and a wealth of further information, try reading the articles that come up when performing a google search for the terms “hexaco” and “ashton.” You may need access to scientific articles through a university or other organization to read the full articles, but the abstracts should at least give you a rough picture of the current state of research.

]]> By: Sandy G http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/09/17/the-big-fight-the-big-five-or-the-big-eight/#comment-271 Sandy G Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:54:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=259#comment-271 Hi Andrea,<br/>Some other folks also have been saying the same thing: gender as a personality trait. I have just incorporated it in the big eight. Lets hope the model finds more takers in the future and is verifiable and spawns as big a research paradigm as the big five has had. Hi Andrea,
Some other folks also have been saying the same thing: gender as a personality trait. I have just incorporated it in the big eight. Lets hope the model finds more takers in the future and is verifiable and spawns as big a research paradigm as the big five has had.

]]> By: TheNerd http://the-mouse-trap.com/2008/09/17/the-big-fight-the-big-five-or-the-big-eight/#comment-269 TheNerd Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:03:00 +0000 http://the-mouse-trap.com/?p=259#comment-269 I'm so happy! You are the first person to finally say what I've been saying for years now: gender is a personality trait! I hope to see the male-female sliding scale as cannon in the future. I’m so happy! You are the first person to finally say what I’ve been saying for years now: gender is a personality trait! I hope to see the male-female sliding scale as cannon in the future.

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